Interview with Julie Hill, daughter of Paul R. Hill

by rthieme on December 21, 2000

Interview with Julie Hill, daughter of Paul R. Hill

RT: Your father’s approach (in Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis) was so refreshing.

JH: Most things that people see, we say how can we explain it? rather than, how can we explain it away?

RT: Why was the book published posthumously?

JH: He tried. When I picked up the MS I found a rejection letter from a publisher. He did not have an agent. Lots of publishers won’t accept material without an agent. He sent it to at least one publisher, probably more, and I don’t even know if anyone looked at it. About three years after his death, in 1993, I went to my mom’s house – it had been on my mind that I did not have a lot of his – and this seemed like it would be important since it was so important to him in his final years. After his retirement, he labored over it a lot and it was his major effort. I just wanted to know where it was so it wouldn’t be lost. It was up in his bedroom on his bookcase. I looked at it for the first time and was totally blown away. It had the table of contents and three appendices, it was a complete work ready to go to print, and I saw for the first time how much he had put into it. When I looked at the table of contents, I said, Oh my God, this has to be published. If I had found it in the street not knowing the author I would have had the same feeling, that it had to be published. I knew it deserved to be published one way or the other.

RT: Now it’s a classic in the field.

JH: That’s the feeling I get. Every now and again when I want to feel close to him, I look his name up on the Internet and see what pops up, and there’s dialogue about the book or readers’ reviews on a B&N site. It makes me feel good that it’s out there.

When he was writing it, he tried to access some engineering paper he had written – something on sound theory – and he couldn’t find them. He searched the libraries, aeronautical firm libraries to access the paper and nothing turned up. He flew to some different places – I don’t know where – Boeing, McDonnell Douglas, Lockheed or Grumman or NASA places and searched their libraries too, and he said it or they were gone. He had a sinking feeling that they had been pulled purposefully. He was afraid there were things the government wouldn’t want to get out. He … I’ll go ahead and say it … the main agency he was fearful of was the DIA to the point where he told me never to say that acronym in front of anyone or repeat that but he’s gone now and I’ve mentioned it to some other people. He never said he was approached in any way personally but he felt these papers disappeared for a reason and he connected it to that agency or thought they would be the ones who did not want certain information released. He ended up rewriting the engineering and going through it all over again for the book.

RT: Was there an effort to keep the book from being published?

JH: Not directly – or indirectly either, that I know of. I asked my mother if the book had been copyrighted to her knowledge, because she’s an encyclopedia. She said she felt certain he did not send it to the copyright office. I know in the depths of my soul that he did not do anything without a reason. I felt like he would have done that if he felt like it. It dawned on me that there are intelligence offices that look at what’s coming through the copyright offices, or an agent in there. I was afraid that someone would stop my effort if I sent it in to be copyright. I found out there was a MUFON convention in Richmond that year – 93 or 94 – and decided I would have copies run off, pretty big copies the size of a Norfolk phone directory. I ran off thirty copies and was going to hand them out to physicists at the meeting so the information would be out there and available to scientists regardless of who did what with the book after that.

I met Bob Wood at that convention. He said, I knew your father. I met him thirty years ago. I interviewed him after he had his sighting. I came out to the east coast. I had given the manuscript to Hampton Roads and they said it was worth it, but not what they do. They encouraged me to go ahead and pursue it, but it wasn’t their cup of tea. A year later they called that they changed their mind and wanted to publish it after all. The same message tape had one from Bob Wood  saying I know there’s something you want me to do for the book, so call me.

I almost have a better relationship with my dad now than I did then. I get a little teary sometime. The publisher said they never published a book by a deceased author. I said I know who is going to represent the book. Bob Wood had just retired and said he would be happy to represent the book in interviews. Then I decided if it was going to be published, I needed to read it. Bob Wood was mentioned in there that he had given him some ideas on propulsion.  I felt like I got to know my dad a lot better reading the book.

They both had interest in UFOs for so long and my dad was the head of the space station project at NASA and Bob Wood was the head of the space station project at McDonnell Douglas, so it’s amazing they never met through their work.

RT: How was the book received when it was published?

JH: It got good reviews but there were not many mainstream publications that reviewed it.

RT: Did anybody criticize the science or the math?

JH: From letters that were sent to the publisher, one physicist said there was a correction needed to be made when my dad was talking about electron spin, he made a mistake in the spin of one of the electrons. That was the only error pointed out in all the communication that I received. He said the basic premise was right and it did not negate anything he was trying to explain, it was a technical error.

A lot of people call my father, doctor, but he was very proud of the fact that he had a bachelor’s degree, he referred to himself as “self-taught.”

It wasn’t until nine years after my father’s death that I learned that my mother, who died a year and a half ago, was the companion he mentioned during the sighting in Hampton Roads. My dad did describe his sightings, especially the one with four vehicles, the first sighting he talks about, the glowing spheres. That was before I was born. He described it when I was a young teenager. He went to report it to the Air Force (Blue Book was in effect) and then pretty much dismissed him. He said, I work at NASA, you can check my credentials, and then they paid attention to him. At NASA he was forbidden to talk about it. He said some people there blacklisted him and he was excluded from some projects by some people, it was people who thought he was an oddball or a renegade. He was excluded because of his ideas. They didn’t want to be associated with him. On the base, at NASA, his ideas were well know. He was very outspoken and quite a character, a great storyteller with a great sense of humor. He might have done negative things too. He said he was excluded from some things specifically because of his association with UFOs.

RT: Why was he told not to talk about it?

RT: It was official policy at NASA that they didn’t exist. Whether that came from someone higher up at NASA or someone higher than that, I don’t know. It may have just been the accepted policy, but his boss specifically said, you don’t talk about it. He had buddies he was close to like Max Faget (Fa-jay) who went to Houston. I found his name at a NACA reunion thing and called him out in Texas and told him I was going to send him a book. He said that my father used to get on his jetboard in one of the hangars and he would fly around and shoot the heads off of matches to show you could fly on them and perform tasks. He was important in the Apollo program – he was mentioned in the movie, Apollo 13.

RT: Did your dad ever express anxiety about the UFO phenomena per se?

JH: He was more afraid of the government – the IRS. He said we have more to fear from our government than we do from anyone from outer space. It was a phenomena of curiosity, he was truly fascinated. I have other papers that he wrote, he wrote some things disputing Einstein’s theory of relativity.

He spoke about a friend who was a psychic and experiments they did. He said he set up a pinwheel experiment – I don’t know how, but he knew how to set up an experiment that would be valid – and he told me that for about a week he could turn it with his mind, with his thoughts, but after about a week he couldn’t do it anymore. He also told me a story about being in a car parked on the street, he was into thought experiments, and he said he projected a thought into her mind to get into my car, and as the woman was walking by the car she stopped, opened the door and sat down and looked at him, and I don’t know if she shrieked or what but she was absolutely stunned at what she was doing. He said, I willed her to get into the car, and she did. I think he was as shocked as she was. They were both shocked.

He told me when I was in my late teens, and this was before Shirley Maclaine and astral projection, that when he slept, he could float out of his body at night and float on the ceiling and look down and watch himself sleep. He never said he went anywhere or saw fantastic things, just that he left his body and watched himself sleep.

He was 81 when he died, he was born in February, 1909, and died in 1990.

December 21, 2000

{ 4 comments… read them below or add one }

Chris November 6, 2010 at 1:52 PM

I have his book on order. What an incredible man.
He gives credibility to us being visited.
My mother’s best girlfriend’s husband had a doctorate and was a Boeing areospace head who I would have lunch with every saturday many years ago. In the two years of asking him questions about UFO’s, once and only once did he open up to me after saying “I don’t imagine anyone would believe you anyway”. He told me he had viewed photos of a cylinder shaped UFO which tracked the Apolo 11 from 300 meters away and could move 20 feet at 20,000 mph and stop instantainiously. His next comment was they have overcome that old inertia problem.
He also went on to tell me that on that Sea of Tranquillity landing site they used man made monolithic forms for their reference point in the landing. He went on to say there were huge reqtangular and triangular shapes which measured in even metric diamentions.
Perhaps the government will one day be honest with us, the people who fund them.
I would look forward to this.

John R. Chappell March 4, 2013 at 10:16 PM

I never met your father although we lived in the same area and followed the same ufo events. I think we had several friends in common at NACA/NASA but because he was not openly able to get too involved in ufo’s because of official policy we never met. I am truly sorry we did not meet. I have been a follower of ufo events for years and now that I am retired I can do this openly without regard to loss of security clearances etc. I wonder if you can tell me more about his personal papers on ufo’s and where I may learn more about his ufo activities. I have thoroughly enjoyed his book you had published. Thank you for getting it published. I would like to have you reply to me if possible.

Julie Hill April 13, 2013 at 12:29 AM

Helo Mr Chappell, Feel free to contact me. I will be happy to answer any questions I can. Julie Hill ( daughter of Paul R. Hill).

Carlos V Ramirez August 28, 2017 at 11:31 AM

Thank you for publishing your father’s great book, Unconventional Flying Objects. My interest on UFO’s goes way back (as soon as I was able to read and understand the English language) to the late 1960’s when I purchased the book by Erich Von Däniken, “Chariots of the Gods”. Since that time I have been fascinated by the UFO enigma. Your father, Mr. R. Hill, wrote a beautiful and fascinating book that explains meticulously the nature and capabilities of UFO’s. It is a shame he was not given the opportunity to publish it in his lifetime; however, you did and it is very comforting. Thank You.
Carlos V. Ramirez
Mechanical Engineer / Computer Specialist.

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